On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:43 PM, keith smith wrote: > > > I've tried the "DIY legal filings and taxes;" When forming a corporation > it is best to get the professionals involved. A few dollars now can save > you a bunch of headaches later. > > One big area is the liability of the officers. Wouldn't you like to know > for sure you are protected as an officer? Very important. > > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > Thanks Keith, So, we have determined a few of our specifications: 1) Professional Help So, that just means that whatever we have to do to solicit funds, [raise money, (Wash Windows? I/E Offer to rebuild or repair "hacked and 3rd party popup blocker bedazzelled" boxes, I.E Windows) for a $smalldonation] is a creative side sub project on the way to doing this. I am sure you can see how why others err on the side of creating a 501c FreeGeek (community recycler/linux open work house) here, or an AbleConf, rather than a PLUG, > > --- On *Sun, 11/7/10, Lisa Kachold * wrote: > > > From: Lisa Kachold > > Subject: Re: NonProfit 501-C Status > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 4:51 AM > > > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, ChasM Marshall > > wrote: > > Herding Penguins is a niche skill, but, > I bet it's been done before. > > > Yes, it's an easy business process. The paperwork and directions can be > downloaded for Arizona. > > > Are there other 501-c user groups that have blazed this trail already? > > > Yes, in most cities half our size, the UGs run with massive corporate and > student interaction from internships to recycling fund raisers after > rehoming each years worth of corporate donactions. > > > > I would be interested to see if any have failed after organizing. > After all, business ventures always measure the down-side risks. > > > No other PLUGS fail, they just freeze up. > > There are no downside risks. > > > This part does seem to be on the down side: > "An ACTUAL business plan, etc. with a financial statement are required." > Hunting down a corporate CPA, or tax accountant, or other qualified > non-penguin, > this would be a good Second Step? Yes? > > > NO, penguins with business saavy or nimple secretary/CFO type businessy > wives don't need any CPA, etc. > DIY for building servers, DIY for non-profit legal filings and taxes; which > is what other LUGS do for non-profit business requirements. > > > The First Step would be a general (penguin) agreement that > the Phoenix area could really, actually, use this organization. > PLUG already functions like a commUNITY resource, but, > Penguins may not see the scale and perspective of this whole iceberg. > > I've already seen THIS e-mail list benefit both the PLUG members > (associates?) > along with their employers. So, I don't need to be sold on the non-profit > idea. > I would argue the opposite. > > Right now, this group is a bit too "virtual" and slightly erratic. > We change meeting times, and places, and our "responsibilities" are getting > confused with the decision to wear a hat, or take an umbrella. > It's pretty much hit or miss when I drive to Avondale (or now Glendale) > from Tonopah, expecting a scheduled monthly group meet. > > Yah, IMHO organization beats chaos. > > (-: Chas.M. :-) > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:33:08 -0700 > > Subject: Re: NonProfit 501-C Status > From: lisakachold@obnosis.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > 501c is a legality that requires some skills that are somewhat outside the > penguin perspective -- administrative and corporate legal type. > > 501c status allows the PLUG to actually run as a non-profit, solicit > donations from corporations that can thereby get a tax write off. > > Alternately, the PLUG could bid for internships, and allow people to fill > contract requirements under a work study in cooperation with the community > colleges and universities. > > All of the time and donations we all put forth for the PLUG, including > shirts, disks, tools, gas, days of working with others can be written off as > a business expense. > > Of course, the PLUG then gets a great deal more opportunity, people show up > with more interest than learning or getting into classes or standing around > looking like penguins and starts to cascade beyond being manageable by the > people who love linux. > > So the steps to do this have been extensively posted in this archeological > dig called EMAIL a few times so I won't beleager you with it again, except > to say that a business is required first. An ACTUAL business plan, etc. > with a financiai statement are required. > > Who has these skills? > > Also the costs along the way with the city and state (without legal fees > doing it ourselves) are estimated at $900.00. > > Of course it's definately worth it as a one time measure. > > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:50 PM, ChasM Marshall > > wrote: > > > > ------------------------------ > "Status for the PLUG -- any volunteers to do that for us?" > > I hereby volunteer the subject title. :-) > > You [ ya'll ] discuss Pros & Cons: > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > -- > Network Operations Center Engineer > Atjeu Hosting > > (503) 754-4452 > (623) 688-3392 > > http://www.it-clowns.com | http://www.obnosis.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing > list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.usTo subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > -- > Network Operations Center Engineer > Atjeu Hosting > > (503) 754-4452 > (623) 688-3392 > > http://www.it-clowns.com | http://www.obnosis.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Network Operations Center Engineer Atjeu Hosting (503) 754-4452 (623) 688-3392 http://www.it-clowns.com | http://www.obnosis.com